For more than 30 years, Susan Haig's mission has been to ensure that endangered bird species don't become extinct.
Haig's professional achievements are beyond impressive: She is a supervisory research wildlife ecologist for the U.S. Geological Survey, a full-time professor at Oregon State University and president of the American Ornithologists' Union, the largest professional society of ornithologists in the world.
Her current work seeks to find the best methods to preserve specific bird populations --- often, populations that are endangered --- with a combination of lab-based genetic research and field-based behavioral study. She also examines the effects of climate change and other environmental stressors on water birds and the places they live.
Haig's efforts to reintroduce the California condor in the Pacific Northwest are detailed in her upcoming book "The California Condor in the Pacific Northwest," which she cowrote with Jesse D'Elia, one of her Ph.D. students. The book comes out next month.
CNN Light Years caught up with Haig last week to talk about how we protect endangered species --- especially in the face of climate change --- and even how we might one day bring some back from extinction. Here is an edited transcript of our interview.
CNN: When did you know you wanted to work in wildlife conservation?
Haig: I got started when I was really little. My family used to go camping a lot --- I grew up in Wisconsin --- and my mother was always pointing out bugs and birds and things. When I was 4 or 5, I became really interested in butterflies, so I spent a lot of time chasing butterflies and putting them in jars and that kind of thing. So I guess I just always knew I was going to be a biologist; I didn't know what form it would take.
(When I got older,) I worked at the Milwaukee Zoo and the Audubon Society, but when I was in college, I took ornithology, and that absolutely changed my life. I hadn't really known about birds, bird-watching, that sort of thing, until then. The combination of ornithology and behavior (study) is what has led me on (my) path academically, and when you throw in my concern for endangered species and environmental issues, that's kind of where I ended up ... looking at behavioral issues, demographic issues of endangered birds.
CNN: What are some of the species of endangered birds you're currently working to protect? Why is it important for us to save some of these species?
Haig: We just finished a genetic study of (piping plovers) across their entire North American range and just completed an assessment of their population status, something we have organized and carried out every five years since 1986.
We also were fortunate enough to participate in locating a major winter location for birds breeding on the Atlantic coast in the Bahamas, and that was featured in Audubon Magazine. I'd been looking for that winter population for well over 30 years! It is critical to understand where (bird) populations spend each part of the year --- breeding, migration, winter --- because without that information, researchers could spend a lot of time trying to fix a problem that really had no relevance to the species' overall recovery.
As with the other species we study, piping plovers are an indicator of the status of the environment in which they live. In their case, they live on open beaches susceptible to human disturbance, storms and elements of our changing climate. Their extinction, like other species, would signal a serious problem in the greater ecosystem in which they live, a canary in a coal mine scenario.
We're also working on the movement data for the condors in California right now. All the California condors in the wild have transmitters on their backs or on their wings that report to a central computer database that's here in our lab. We (look) at that data to see exactly how California condors spend their day, their month, their year in California so that we can make sure that we can come up with a very similar situation if they were to come back to Oregon.
Another thing we're doing is, we have DNA samples, we believe, from every condor that's been in a museum in the world. We think! I'm not sure if we missed any. We have around 400 or more condor samples that were collected from the 1800s all the way up to the birds that are present in the zoos today. We're doing what's called an ancient DNA analysis to try and figure out several things: Were there different species of condor in North America? ... Were the birds that Lewis and Clark saw here in Oregon genetically different from the birds that were seen down in California, and if that's the case, how does that relate to genetic diversity and the genetic identity of the birds that are alive now, in the zoos and in the wild? And the reason we're doing that is to try to determine ... the most appropriate types (of condors to be) brought back to Oregon.
So my work is kind of this integration: The genetic data tells us one thing, which makes us go out in the field to look at something else; the field data makes us think about a genetic implication. So we're always going back and forth between the two because they feed off each other.
CNN: You recently participated in a TEDx talk at National Geographic on "DeExtinction" and gave a talk called "Bringing back the birds of our dreams." Can you briefly describe how de-extinction would work, how we bring back species and what benefit bringing back a particular species could have?
Haig: De-extinction is an exciting idea that is just in its technical infancy. The idea is that various molecular methods, ranging from cloning to specific gene replacement to selective breeding, will result in bringing back to life species that have previously gone extinct. The genetic methods are far more advanced for mammals and amphibians at this point than birds.
You need to be brutally careful about what you choose to bring back because, in my opinion, it has to be more important to bring a species back than it does to protect a species that stands, that is already out in the wild right now, because there are enough now that we could save that have not gone yet extinct. My own feeling is that this technology could be most useful when bringing back a particular species would result in greater conservation efforts for an ecosystem than if the species were left extinct.
An example of this is found in the flooded bottomland woodlands of the Southern U.S., where habitat is quickly disappearing. In this case, bringing back the iconic ivory-billed woodpecker would cause such a stir --- as evidenced when a few people thought they saw them several years ago --- that there would be no choice among government and NGOs but to protect the remaining habitat. The resulting habitat conservation and increase in local revenue would be a win-win situation currently unattainable.
CNN: How is climate change affecting endangered species you work with?